Paul_B =:o} ([info]pbristow) wrote,
@ 2008-05-11 01:26:00
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Current mood: geeky

This evening's viewing, and some ponderings on the Doctor [Spoilers for NuWho, S4, Ep6]
Viewing of DW was delayed, as a result of John Barrowman being so excruciating to watch on the preceding game show (the guy managed to make every single utterance - including the "exciting" announcement of the round titles - sound like a third rate am-dram actor reading from an autocue. This may in part have been because he was, in fact, reading from an autocue...) that I flipped over to Five, and got hooked on the Danny DeVito film they were showing. I stuck with that to the end, stayed on through Five News ("WHAT?!? On top of food, shelter, and every other basic necessity, the dying multitudes also get denied their *vote*?!?", and on to the NCIS double bill (reruns of Season 3). Two great episodes, I thought.

The DW ep. has now fully torrented, however (I've given up on the BBC's annoyingly flaky and uncontrollable "watch again" viewer), and so...



As I suspected, the meaning of "my daughter" was *not* "Susan's mum", nor even "the Doctor's daughter from long ago who's always been around and who somehow survived the Time War and stayed hidden, and we've just never met/heard of her before". I was a bit startled, though, to have her origin not only explained, but actually *played out in full* before the opening credits even rolled! =:o> And so, the focus of the ep. was not "where does this mysterious daughter come from?" (which as plots go would have been a bit run-of-the-mill, frankly), but rather, "Now that she's here... what would the Doctor's daughter be *like*?". And of course, this is complicated by the fact that she's been pre-programmed to be something the Doctor would never want her to be: A soldier.

Halfway through the ep.: "Ooh, she's *fun*! Can we keep her?" =:o>

Near the end of the ep.: "You *BASTARDS*!!" =>:o{

End of the ep.: "Yayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!" [BIG HAPPY BOUNCY SQUEEFUL BOUNCE-BOUNCE TYPE BOUNCY THING]

(P.S. You're still bastards, though.)

Some obvious thematic follow-through from the preceding Sontaran two-parter: The Doctor was seen there to be not just disapproving (as of old) but actually quite *hostile* to soldiery. Here, it's pointed out why: He became (in some sense or other) a soldier himself, in the fateful Time War, and bitterly regrets it.

Another thematic follow-through that I wasn't so happy with: Declaring himself as the foundation stone for a new society.

The 10th Doctor spent his first two years angsting about the temptations of godhood. He was "born" as a consequence of taking the Vortex (temporarily) into himself from Rose. On recovering from his regeneration, his first conscious hour is full of frantic self-enquiry: "what kind of man am I?" - and he seems to find an answer: "No second chances. I'm that kind of a man." And he seems grimly resigned to it.

Then we see the worried look he gets when Novice Hame talks of "the Lonely God"...

In "The Family of Blood", we see him enact a terrible judgement upon the eponymous Family. (Although note: We only hear a version as told by one of the Family members. Reliable narrator? You decide.)

In Utopia, he finally explains to Jack what Rose did that led to Jack's immortality, and observes: "If a Time Lord did that, he'd become a god. A *vengeful* god." And this, of course, is what he fears has in fact happened to him, at least a bit. Or could be happening to him, inch by inch...

And so in the S3 finale, after suffering the year that never happened, we seem him hell-bent (!) on being, if he has to be any kind of god at all, a *different* kind of god: A merciful one.

But there's a problem. However noble his intention, the Doctor is still a deeply flawed individual. And while he may have largely come to terms with his part in the War, and the destruction of Gallifrey, he's still somewhat damaged by it.

Now, a flawed god can be OK, if he's part of a rich pantheon: Lots of differently-imperfect gods, all their flaws pulling against each other to achieve some balance. But when the only god in town is someone like the Doctor? Someone who of late has let self-obsession blind himself to the nuances of every relationship he's in, never mind those taking place around him? Olympus, we have a problem.

"Let the foundation of your society be a man who never would". Sounds OK... except that they will inevitably remember other things about this man too, and doubtless try to emulate those. And they'll all remember or interpret those things differently, or prioritise them differently, or just be unaware of the unconscious ways they have filtered what he said through what they are pre-programmed or post-educated to hear and believe... And sure as eggs is eggs, a few generations down the line (nearly a whole day, then?) there will be people putting other people to the sword because "He just meant we should never use a *gun*, you silly heretic!"

He doesn't want to be a vengeful god... But he's already succumbed more than once to the temptation of vengeance. He doesn't want to be the lonely god... But he clings to his identity as "last of the Time Lords", refusing to consider - despite having been proved wrong once already - that others may be out there, hidden from him in cloaks of humanity or shields of other kinds. He doesn't want to be a god at all... but when situations crop up where being a god seems to provide a solution, he steps into the role all too easily.

The Ood told him that "your song will be ending soon". Could it be a reference to that "same old song" he sings: "I'm the last of my kind, boo-hoo"?

I hope so. =:o} Partly 'cos I'm tired of hearing it; Partly 'cos any sane fan wants to hear that Romana survived... but mostly because when he finally realises he's wrong about that, he *might* realise he's wrong about being being damned to godhood, too.



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[info]zarhooie
2008-05-11 03:33 am UTC (link)
Good job. I read that out loud to [info]bookworm04 and she agreed as well.

"Or could be happening to him, inch by inch..."
Starting with the inches in his pants! ;)

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[info]pbristow
2008-05-11 09:17 am UTC (link)
I just realised the worst part. The only genuine *apostle* they had - the *only* person there who'd had a chance to hear his real meaning clearly and confirm her understanding by putting it into action, and getting his confirmation and approval - suddenly resurrected herself *after he'd gone*, and then "ascended into the heavens" in the only spaceship they had.

What's the betting that before the weekend's out we get a holy war between the followers of Jenny's (correct, as it happens) version of the Doctor's message, and those who say she's a usurper who twisted his words?

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[info]meritmaat
2008-05-11 08:15 am UTC (link)
I loved that part of "let that be the foundation of your society: a man who never would". I love the pacifistic message.
I loved the whole episode. Though I knew Jenny was gonna die, I also figured that she would resurrect (or regenerate) eventually.
I did not really the the godlyhood in his action this time, though I like you analysis.
*hugs*

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[info]keristor
2008-05-11 09:00 am UTC (link)
I like John Barrowman, even in that game show (although he was being rather over the top). I did watch it...

I loved Jenny. And she (the actress) is the daughter of Peter Davison, so her "Hello Dad" has a double meaning -- she is literally "the Doctor's daughter"! And OMG RLY K3WT!!! SRSLY!

The last we'll see of Freema, unfortunately, at least for a while.

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[info]pbristow
2008-05-11 07:10 pm UTC (link)
"The last we'll see of Freema, unfortunately, at least for a while."

And as such, she was a bit underused. Just a mcguffin to make the Doctor want to stay around and find her. That said, she put everything she'd got into that quicksand/quagmire scene. But she was then far to chipper in the ensuing scenes once she was reunited with the others, as if she'd just shrugged it off as one more tragedy. The poor Hath died saving *her*, dammit! It should have been haunting her behind the eyes a little bit, at least... =:o\

And I couldn't help wondering, all episode... If those are the Hath... Who are the HathNot?

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[info]keristor
2008-05-11 08:34 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I was wondering what order they were filmed in, given her comments on how she felt about the Hath dying. But there should have been some clue in the script and/or directing, it was rather brushed off.

The HathNot were taken away even from the Hath...

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[info]smallship1
2008-05-11 09:16 am UTC (link)
Well, Master Bristow, I've seldom seen a finer silk purse made from such unpromising material. If anyone ever queries the value of fandom as a source of creativity, I need merely point them at you. Good job.

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[info]pbristow
2008-05-12 11:43 am UTC (link)
[SHRUG] I just watch the show through the same filter I've watched it for the last 20 years: "Yes, bits of this are a bit clumsy and inconsistent, but (a) what were they *trying* to say/do, and (b) what are the implications of what they actually *did* say/do, in story terms."

I've stopped watching the confidentials now, because they were too annoying: They usually spelled out more or less what I'd figured out must have been the intention, but in a "aren't we so clever we did this?" manner that made me want to throw things at the telly, or at least say, "No, if you were half as clever as you think you are, at least half the audience would have known this just from watching the show itself instead needing you to explain it to them afterward. Mystery is one thing; Failure to communicate with the audience over the basics is another."

Tenant is not a stupid actor. *He's* trying to build a credible, gradually developing character. RTD is trying to do that too, I think, but he does it in such broad, sloppy strokes that it's left to Tennant and the other actors around him (and the other writers) to try to inject some subtlety into the character... Which, when you're shooting everything in fragments, out of order, in locations scattered all around South Wales, is a pretty tall order. And it doesn't help when the series composer has got serious "big orchestra"-addiction plus "this'll be perfect for the album!"-syndrome, and consequently couldn't underscore a subtlety to save his life. =:o{

But other shows face these same or similar obstacles, and manage to make it work... =:o\ What's desperately needed over there is someone who's aware of the problems from an audience perspective, but also aware of the industry practicalities of how those problems can and can't be addressed... And with the clout to be listened to.

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[info]smallship1
2008-05-12 06:16 pm UTC (link)
I've been dealing with clumsy and inconsistent for a lot longer than twenty years. I watched Space 1999 the first time round and enjoyed it, I'd have you know. :) Clumsy and inconsistent doesn't bother me. Smug, slick and uncaring does.

I don't think either Tennant or Davies got where they are today by being stupid people. I do think Davies has (as most fanboys have) a sizeable number of blind spots, tics and pet hates/pet obsessions where Who is concerned, which I think have led him to some stupid decisions, and I'd be happier with it if he hadn't indulged them. Quite possibly the millions of people who genuflect weekly before his gigantic bronze effigy wouldn't, though. I'm also used to being in a minority, and the obligation that that lays on one to be vocal.

And I'll happily appreciate Tennant in any other part--have done so, in fact. But I'll go on saying that he isn't right for the part of the Doctor till I have no voice left, or they cast someone else, probably Romeo flaming Beckham as RTD has threatened.

Edited at 2008-05-12 06:28 pm UTC

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[info]smoooom
2008-05-11 02:19 pm UTC (link)
I do enjoy the technology that lets me watch the episodes the same day you guys get it. I think I've said that before, but it really is very cool. what I'm begining to not love is this season of Dr Who. After the ood, I've been feeling more and more let down, the plot for the first half of the Sultana Solution (I know it's not Sultana but thats what I hear) was lifted whole from a kids movie, the second half was a typical how close to the edge can we run this. And then this week happened. I had to finish watching it so see if i was right about the Doctors "Daughter" (I was) Even stupid things like, Why wasn't the TARDIS translating? I like the way you've put into words things I couldn't. My own major quibble with this episode is this, as much as we hate it, isn't war sometimes needed? What would the good doctor have had us done during WW2? Allow theworld to be taken over by a mad man? I say WW2 because it's the only recent war where I'm sure about the cause of and agree with. I can only hope that next week has more going on for it.

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[info]pbristow
2008-05-11 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the Sontaran Stratagem/Poison Sky was a bit clunky. It's a shame, I had great hopes for Helen Raynor at first (based on hearing her talk about the show in interviews), but I think she's so far shown that as a writer... she's a great script editor. She gets the nuts-n-bolts of making a script work for television right enough, but messes up a bit on the actual *story*. Which is fair enough, not everyone can be great at both jobs (take a posthumous bow, Sir Robert of the Holmeses). And with RTD as her mentor, it's understandable she'd be a bit shaky on plot mechanics... =:o}

(She also lost a couple of geek-cred points for making the Sontarans sexist, as opposed to sex-*less* as RH intended. =:o} )

Translation: As you say, the TARDIS was around and should have been providing the usual telepathic translation duties. *We* couldn't understand the Hath, and it seems the local humans couldn't either, but apparently Martha could. I don't remember any evidence either way as to whether or not the Doctor and Donna could understand them - they weren't really around them very long, and the opening encounter was a bit too fast and frantic for any meanings other than "Don't move or I'll shoot!" to be needed... And that was communicated well enough visually! =:o}

"My own major quibble with this episode is this, as much as we hate it, isn't war sometimes needed? What would the good doctor have had us done during WW2?"

Well, this is it. As the 4th once Doctor said to Leela: "I never carry weapons. If people see you mean them no harm, they never harm you... Nine times out of ten." ("Robots of Death", 1977)
Or as the 1st told Tyler: "I never take life... Well, only when my own is immediately threatened". ("The Dalek Invasion of Earth", 1964)

The Doctor has never really been a pacifist, but always a man who *wants peace*. He's always been willing to work with the military as long as their cause was just, or the fighting unavoidable; He's always hated handling weapons, but has often resigned himself to letting others wield them on his behalf (And you have to wonder... was it some past experience of holding a gun that implanted that *very specific* aversion he has?) (one notable exception: In "Day of the Daleks" he guns down a poor Ogron squaddie before the Ogron even starts to take aim).

He has also happily primed weapons of mass destruction and possible genocide, so long as he could engineer the situation such that it was the enemy who triggered them against themselves, through their own ambitions ("Remembrance of the Daleks" and "Silver Nemesis", both 1988.)

But lately he's got this added layer of being really sick to the back teeth of war and soldiery and all of that, because of his involvement in the Time War, and above all the fact that it was apparently all for nothing: He destroyed his own people to "win" the war, and yet The Daleks survived anyway.

And that's why Jenny's insight, simplistic as it is, gets right under his skin. He has always been a *fighter* - and to her, the word for "fighter" is "soldier". But "soldier" to the Doctor has always meant "Buffoon with a gun in his hand as a poor substitute for a brain; OK to have around so long as you can get 'em all pointed in the right direction", and has lately acquired the additional meaning of "Person who unleashes total devastation and *still* can't achieve anything useful. See: Doctor (past life)".

I *hope* one of the threads of the series is therefore "the Doctor comes to realise that he can't judge all soldiers by his own standards"... and wouldn't that be a wonderful prompt for him to go and visit his old friend, Sir Alistair? =:o}

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[info]smallship1
2008-05-12 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm. I don't think "happily" is quite the mot juste up there.

And judging any human by his own standards is at least a step up from "stupid apes."

I personally think he would agree with me that the tragedy of all war is that nobody finds the effective alternative in time, and the horror of all war is that often there aren't many people on either side looking for it. That there is always an effective alternative to be found...is something of an article of faith with me. So I suppose I am a pacifist.

This is interesting in this context. I don't agree with at least part of its main premise, but you might.

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[info]kathy_songbird
2008-05-11 02:35 pm UTC (link)
I'm feeling the plotlines are creaking a bit and I love Tennant as the Doc - and incidentally Catherine Tate as an assistant.

Who are they aiming the stories at? Not adults most of the time in my opinion. Fair enough to not aim at adults exclusively but does it have to be a rejected B film Saturdday Kids' show plot?

Liked Martha making friends with the Hath. WAs she really understanding their *speech*?

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[info]pbristow
2008-05-11 08:03 pm UTC (link)
See my responses to [info]smoooom, above. =:o}

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